While listening, I read a few of the comments and came across a user, “H,” who was unabashedly attacking the gay man in the video and essentially damning the entire gay lifestyle. Having several close gay friends, needless to say, I wasn't too thrilled. By nature, I usually choose to combat irrational emotions with a rational and tempered breakdown of the issue. Here’s the conversation that transpired:
H: Deep or not you will still go striaght to hell!
Repent immediately!
Another User: Who are WE to judge?
H: I am a human. I can judge who I feel like judging. And according to the Bible, HOMOsexuals AKA those pitiful GAY folk, will burn in hell. I am talking this straight from the Bible, of course not in the same context but you get my drift. If God wanted you to mate with a MALE he would have made you a FEMALE. Stop denying your GENDER! Go watch female porn, do whatever you have to GET RID OF THESE GAT THOUGHTS! It is not right and you will pay for it in the end. REPENT!
Me: how can you say "I can judge who I feel like judging"? And then you talk about the Bible. Disagree, but don't judge
H: What are you talking about? What is there to judge? He's homo, he just admitted it in the damn video!! All I am saying is he IS going to hell if he doesn't repent for his sins. Point blank. Why can't you understand that?
Another User: Who are WE to judge?
H: I am a human. I can judge who I feel like judging. And according to the Bible, HOMOsexuals AKA those pitiful GAY folk, will burn in hell. I am talking this straight from the Bible, of course not in the same context but you get my drift. If God wanted you to mate with a MALE he would have made you a FEMALE. Stop denying your GENDER! Go watch female porn, do whatever you have to GET RID OF THESE GAT THOUGHTS! It is not right and you will pay for it in the end. REPENT!
Me: how can you say "I can judge who I feel like judging"? And then you talk about the Bible. Disagree, but don't judge
H: What are you talking about? What is there to judge? He's homo, he just admitted it in the damn video!! All I am saying is he IS going to hell if he doesn't repent for his sins. Point blank. Why can't you understand that?
Another User: “H” is way too harsh and should not be mean. i am a Christian and i believe it is a sin to be gay but we should love homosexuals and tell them that their sin needs to be removed from their life. God does not give anyone homosexual desires. it is a trick of the devil.
H: You are correct. And I do admit to coming off a bit too harsh but you know what, I am just fed up with all this nonsense. It seems as though the gays are taking over! The devil is becoming too common and I don't like it. So if I have to come of a little rude, too bad. It is what it is. You cannot be afraid to tell someone they will go to hell if they don't accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord an savior. They don't listen because they're in denial and know that I'm right.
Me: You make sense, but I think the problem is that people seem so obsessed with this "sin" and seem to ignore their own countless sins like lying, fornication, cheating, judging, envying. These sins send people to hell as well, and are MUCH more pervasive. Yet, people seem to focus all their energy and feelings on the one "sin" of homosexuality. How can you expect to "convert people" when they don't feel any support from you? That's the main thing...
---User H then sent Me a personal message !!---
H: -- Okay, I get you and I also agree with you. However, being Gay plays a major role on one's life. We all lie or atleast have lied before and it is so easy to kneel and ask God to forgive you for your sins. But when you are gay and want to change, there are major steps to follow and it is hard. I definitely do not ignore my sins, I know I lie, I know I curse, and at times it is hard for me to control that but when I realize it is wrong and continuously ask God for forgiveness. When you are gay, you're whole life is just not the same. It is totally different. When you lie, it is just a lie. But being Gay is just..IDK. It grosses me out to think about it. I don't understand why people can't get over the fact that if you are a man you are meant to be with a woman and Vice Versa.
Me: I hear you. ... I think about it like this. You're straight, I assume. Imagine if homosexuality was the natural order of things and how God intended it (just imagine). Now imagine heterosexuality was the sin. Think about how difficult it would be for you to hide your heterosexuality, to suppress your desire to be with another man (I think you're a girl, right? haha). Think about how lonely and alone you would feel if you couldn't cuddle with a guy, kiss a guy, express your love for a guy. That's what it would probably be like if you were gay. Sexuality is a HUGE part of life. You're a sexual being. I'm a sexual being. We all have urges. How difficult must it be to try to ignore or deny those urges for an entire lifetime?
You want gays to just accept the fact that men and women are the only proper couple. You want them to just suck it up and find an opposite sex partner to love and be with. But go back to the world I'm having you imagine. Would you be able to easily love and/or be intimate with another woman just because that's what's natural?
Everyone has their own urges and sexual desires. To force people into one way of living (even if that's what God intended) is a hard thing. Choosing to deny yourself and your interests is much more difficult than overcoming lying or a jealous spirit - asking God to forgive you.
I choose not to judge and just leave that part to the one that matters - God. Makes no sense for me to hate people and use all my energy tearing down others, because that's not going to attract people to God, AND it's not my duty. I'm supposed to love, embrace, lead by example, and understand.
You want gays to just accept the fact that men and women are the only proper couple. You want them to just suck it up and find an opposite sex partner to love and be with. But go back to the world I'm having you imagine. Would you be able to easily love and/or be intimate with another woman just because that's what's natural?
Everyone has their own urges and sexual desires. To force people into one way of living (even if that's what God intended) is a hard thing. Choosing to deny yourself and your interests is much more difficult than overcoming lying or a jealous spirit - asking God to forgive you.
I choose not to judge and just leave that part to the one that matters - God. Makes no sense for me to hate people and use all my energy tearing down others, because that's not going to attract people to God, AND it's not my duty. I'm supposed to love, embrace, lead by example, and understand.
H: WOW! That made a lot of sense....and again, I do agree and understand every word you're saying.
But a man who is "gay" has only "gay" thoughts and urges because of the devil. If they just simply repent, accept Jesus into there life then those homosexual thoughts and ways would not be present. It is not because they were born into the wrong body, they would be attracted to the opposite sex if only the devil exited there mind. It is all demons that give them those naughty thoughts.
If I wasn't a Christian, I probably would not care for men loving men and women loving women. It probably wouldn't matter to me at all. But the fact that I am a Christian and I know what is right and what is wrong, it is really hard for me to accept the fact that people are okay with deliberately going agaisnt God's word and doing it with no hesitation.
And I don't hate gays, I just don't agree with their way of life.
But thank you for that "speech"..lol. That was really good.
But a man who is "gay" has only "gay" thoughts and urges because of the devil. If they just simply repent, accept Jesus into there life then those homosexual thoughts and ways would not be present. It is not because they were born into the wrong body, they would be attracted to the opposite sex if only the devil exited there mind. It is all demons that give them those naughty thoughts.
If I wasn't a Christian, I probably would not care for men loving men and women loving women. It probably wouldn't matter to me at all. But the fact that I am a Christian and I know what is right and what is wrong, it is really hard for me to accept the fact that people are okay with deliberately going agaisnt God's word and doing it with no hesitation.
And I don't hate gays, I just don't agree with their way of life.
But thank you for that "speech"..lol. That was really good.
Me: haha, no biggie. Didn't mean to go on and on. Yeah, it's a difficult subject, and I completely understand your point of view.
Here's the actual video which I was able to pull from a different internet site:
Be well,
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I'm glad you made them see the light. I seem to always find myself with people who are "anti-gay rights" and I love to speak with them to try to get what reasoning is behind that. My older brother, for instance, thinks that it is the most abhorrent and vile thing on earth and often uses the "f" word. I always get upset and argue with him and so it has slowed down a lot. But his main reasons behind hating homosexuality (though not minding lesbians of course- hypocrit) is that a) it's gross and b) its sinful. This coming from a guy who has never been inside of a church nor has read the bible or taken any classes on religion. All of that aside... I usually ask him if thinking about my mother and father having sex is gross. He says yes... then I begin naming non-family members etc, all of which he says are gross. So... if its all gross then... who cares what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms? No one is forcing you to watch and/or think about it.
ReplyDeleteI love love love the people who say "God made it so that women and men could come together to procreate..." that one is my favorite. I will ask "So two men having sex is a sin right?" and of course they say yes. Then I either ask if they have had sex before marriage and/or if they have had sex without the intention of procreating which is essentially what they believ that sex is for. Finally catching on to what I'm getting at... they usually begin just saying "God hates gays" over and over, no longer wanting to argue.
As someone who was a zealot (we all have fond memories of those days), I'll just throw in my 2 cents. Even for a highly educated christian, it is very easy to become polarized around certain issues. You're trying very hard to live your life according to certain precepts and to encourage those around you to live life according to the same precepts. In those conditions, homosexuality simply becomes an obvious target since it's not an incident but rather a lifestyle. I often argued with a homosexual friend of mine about his homosexuality. I didn't do it because I felt homosexuality was disgusting. I didn't do it for fun and I definitely didn't do it because I felt comfortable being put in that role. I did it because I'd been taught that part of being a Christian meant having the courage to stand up for your convictions, which meant that I couldn't stand by silently while my friend, an avowed homosexual Christian, lived a life that I believed would damn him. Now? Now I can only say that I wonder how strong the resolve of Christian gays is. I know firsthand how difficult it is to stand before God when you see yourself as a sinner. Perhaps he was simply a better man than me and could go to church each week and ask for forgiveness. Perhaps he interpreted the scriptures differently and didn't consider being gay a sin (I know for a fact that this isn't true in his case but it's one approach to the issue).
ReplyDeleteI am in no way religious. For me, fearing God's wrath or something along those lines is not a good enough reason to deny one's homosexuality. In the end, H said "I just don't agree with their way of life." So ultimately, it's all about personal preference for this person.
ReplyDeleteBecause I can't really comment on the religious aspect, I posted something about abnormal sexual behaviors on a more scientific/psychological level ...and homosexuality is NOT a perversion of normal behavior.